got it....i guess i could do the VM/VPS anywhere...and then the container installation should work....def going to get stuck in the SSH/DNS setup....

I personaly recomend digital ocean . They will let you create a vps and if you delete it after a day you only have to pay for the day.

I messed up my instalation several times when i first tried to install seat. So i removed and created a fresh vps several times and didnt have to pay anything extra

Eh the docker desktop for windows operates the same way as the macos version.

but you run the installation steps on the host, not in a container

Yeah but using docker on macos is pretty much like running it on windows.

it's 1:1

I'm talking about this. It has nothing to do with docker or windows whatsoever. It is downloading the docker-compose files

Are they doing bare? If not docker on macos is still equivelent of running docker desktop on windows.

I've been trying to find a fully free version...GCP might have a micro VM that is completely free...

seat is relatively resource intensive. I don't think it will run well, if at all. How much memory does that thing have?

also, for how many characters do you plan to host seat?

possibly 40-50 at most...

characters....real people about 15

could probably run it on a cheap as chips VPS

I paid $25 for 2 years at greencloud and it is 2 or 4GB ram ++

WTF!! $25 for 2 years???

Yeah, was a halloween deal

Or something

so this CCP stream

they are pushing ingame tools hard

let me guess ... they're giving up on ESI

ah yes, the great ingame tools everyone loves to use

Concurrent login numbers go up if you have to login to get your data /s

"hey friend, I know you really want to join our corp, but I'm gonna need you to stream your screen while you launch eve and go through your hangers once a month for CI purposes, K thanks"

Actually, at least one dev on the eve partner discord has been pushing hard to get all endpoints back up after the outage earlier this fall.

nice

It is nice to see somewhat usable corp features in game, on a more serious note.

all I really want from esi is a good stable sso

wish nothing else exported

Racknerds new years deals are pretty cheep

ok this might be a noob question.....but when folks are joining a corp do they simply have to go over to our seat setup or do they also, previously have to apply in-game?

uhm

this is a corp management/recruitment thing... but generally you want them and their alts registered before they join

so you can have a look at things

but to join they still have to apply in-game?

Yes

Got it...Thank you.

Seat won't do anything in game. It's just a 3rd party information tool

got it that makes sense..

I prefer using invites, but yeah

How do you mean?

He invites them to join his corp instead of having them apply to join

There is an option to do that in the game?

Yes

I believe you can just right click on there name and invite to corp

Perfect!

Don't go spamming everyone in the recruitment channel lmao

lol!

Question: any chance there is a buyback plugin coming for seat 5 soonish?

Doesn't look like it. But you can always setup corp projects in game. All they have to do is drop it in the hangar and they will automatically get paid

^this hack has been a godsend for moon goo and skyhook pickups

Anyone using the HR plugin on seat 5. Do you find it useful?

My fork is working : https://github.com/hermesdj/seat-buyback

Since work on the document Crypta Electrica. Looking forward for the new upcoming updates.

heh, so EVE is fragile as fuck, right

bad internet and shit will bounce you

but migrating my firewall between two different hosts ...

no problem!

If no seat plugin, is there a standalone private timerboard I can self host?

tried discord events tab?

I have not. I'll give that a whirl and see it works out for us. Thanks!

I think alliance auth has a timerboard plugin, but I'm not sure

It has a few

I only speak when spoken about :p

well it runs.. the only question now is when does she wants to upgrade to alliance one ><

since its a 1u 19'' unit i need to find a pci bracket that holds nvme's

and then i can just move the vhdx to that

i'm basicly trying to add some plugins to it and then my other half can try and break it with her corp

pro tip: just get a pair of used enterprise sata SSDs

run them in mirror

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/axagon-pcem2-nd-pcie-adapter-for-two-m.2-ssds-with-software-raid-cc-00e-ax.html i'm looking at this + 2 nvme's

it supports software raid so i could mirror it

Not sure if I have enough ssds 🥹

I said enterprise

With power loss protection

i have some intel ssds and micron 7400's

Then you're good to go

Looking at some used U.2 for special device

u.2 is nice

I might just get a HP 775670-B21 for the vm's

HPE 2.6TB HH/HL Light Endurance (LE) PCIe Workload Accelerator 775670-B21 Usable Capacity 2.6 TB Technology NAND Flash Max Sequential Throughput : Reads 2.4 GiB/s, Writes 1.5 GiB/s Access Latency (4KiB,Q1) Reads 110 microseconds, Writes 25 microseconds IOPS (4KiB,Q16) Read 69,000 IOPS, Write 150,000 IOPS Max Random IOPS (4KiB) Read 235,000 IOPS @ Q128 Write 168,000 IOPS @ Q16 Form factor Half Height/Half length Bus Interface PCIe 2.0 X 8

should do the job nicely

hmhm

hmmm

I already run 15 */2 * * * for contracts and */30 * * * * for killmails

Then thats fine. It wont be touched by this update

It will only modify the previous default of */15 * * * *

yeah

I guess the aggregate demand from SeAT installs (and other things) with a similar schedule results in unsustainable load peaks on ESI

because then I should change these a bit as well

Its probably* not just us, but the better users we can be of ESI the easier life is for the devs that work on it

and smoother vs peaky loads is always a good thing

yeah for sure

you can see this pretty clearly here

so with 20 minute bucket updates, there's spikes to go around

Yeah the spikes will always somewhat be there, its really hard to truly smooth them out

oh yeah

hehe

I mean as long as your not running high loads all the time that looks ok

this is the hypervisor... it's not exactly overworked 🙂

🙂

but I run over 4000 tokens... and don't need all the data refreshed every hour

I really wanna run grafana again and do some stats, just don’t have enough time 😂

this is munin

so

very lazy mode

since I have a master setup of plugins etc ready to go

Yeah I doubt we will ever get more then 1000 tokens

Unless we recruit everyone during fanfest 😂

“Bring all your alts”

are you docker?

?

are you on docker

No I’m not

It’s hyper-v supervisor with Ubuntu for seat

Well I went the non enterprise way (gf has ASUS sponsorship and Lexar had a black Friday deal) I mean 4x2tb nvmes is cool

oh nice 😄

I guess the cooling will be fine

Bought another 6 nvmes for my Hyperdeck’s recorders for the company (1tb) 😂😂 so this now officially a business expense

It’s an x16 interface so wonder how the speeds are gonna be

Isn't M.2 NVMe x4? 4*x4 is x16

yeah technicly it should run full speed

asus website says the v2 card will do 128Gbps so it should cap out at 16GB/s ?

(overhead not counting)

V5 does 512Gbps

Hi guys, is there a way to extract the interference from in-game map?

like through the API from CCP

No

Need more space.. need to data hoard..

raw storage isn't an issue for me

You got into the pb realm yet?

sort of ?

raw its a PB but something something redudancy

You can still have redundant array of disks even above like 3pb or so.

true but this is about what we need each year so we are good

just backup to tapes store it for archive and ask client if they need it on disk

Yikes

It will need replacement in a year or 2 😂

Personal copy of the Internet?

Lol no I own my own broadcast company and we operate a broadcast truck which we do quite some events where we have to store 4k multicams 😈

Ooh

Just be glad you didn't work for one company I did, Messy cables = cut cables and more work if you didn't make them all nice and pretty.

I had someone cut my fibre cable once

was a nice invoice to send

Eh happens way more then it should..

Though hope those are on some sort of suspension or whatnot or poor servers..

Unless you have no moving parts for your storages and whatnot.

everything is ssd/nvme

altough technicly there are only 3 pc's on board which are fixed

Meh for the pc's the servers are the only things that matter honestly.

but to answer the question yes the rack is ''floating''

Good Good.. We'd have to punish you if it was static.. even if you said the truck was like a cloud..

I've seen flightcases thrown around harder with the gear thats in there :+

concidering my hardcase got crushed last flight i took... that aint that difficult

Impressive setup. Had a feel that 600 TB was for some kind of media. And looking at the RED mouse pad, you must have 8 RED cams.. Not cheap.. I remember back 15 years ago, they tend to overheat when they left on for too long. Are they better now?

Back in the day they had some issues nowadays almost none

We have a ton of Komodo x’s for multicams slowly upgrading to raptors for full frame stuff and for lower budget we go blackmagic ursa broadcast g2

But yeah 6/8k red footage (or proress) is heavy as heck

I mean they have some quirks ofc but every camera has that

Dude.. That RED Raptor is a over-powered Monster!!! 8k at 120 frames and it can use fiber as a IP remote cam too!! Red has come a LONG way in 15 years... And that Blackmagic cam is similar to Panasonic but way more advance.

😉

Yeah the ccus are a bit expensive to build tough

2 a6000’s for the full scale 😂 per camera

plus the lens, and thats another 10-30k

They have dropped down to 8-9k now because of the 15-120 that are ff compatible

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-alright-cool-awesome-gif-18159255497747374770

we have 1.3PB of storage for video at work, but it's just for CCTV 😄

divided across two sites

Hehe yeah but you guys have x days/weeks/month requirement

that we do 🙂

plus it's divided across two sites

for redundancy...

Hmhm

My redundancy is active projects are on 2 places everything older then 1 year is on 2 tapes

well, we do 7/30 day retention for CCTV depending on situation

as standard

for 1000+ cameras

so it's a slightly different use case

yep

I have a feeling i've been running behind my tail but am I good to suspect seat is not meant to work behind a reverse proxy ?

seat does run behind a reverse proxy if you follow the default instructions. So what is the problem?

on the reverse proxy i have server { server_name seat.amiomia.eu; location / { proxy_pass http://seat-amiomia.localdomain; # Internal webserver address proxy_set_header Host $host; # Pass the original Host header proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; # Pass the client's IP proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; # Chain of proxies proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto $scheme; # Pass the original protocol (HTTP/HTTPS) } } server { listen 80; server_name seat.amiomia.eu; return 301 https://$host$request_uri; # Redirect HTTP to HTTPS } on the seat web server i'm running server { # Hostname server_name seat.amiomia.eu; # Document root root /var/www/seat/public; index index.php; # Handle application requests location / { try_files $uri $uri/ /index.php?$query_string; } # PHP-FPM configuration location ~ \.php$ { try_files $uri /index.php =404; fastcgi_pass unix:/run/php/php8.2-fpm.sock; fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; include fastcgi_params; # Inform PHP about HTTPS via reverse proxy fastcgi_param HTTPS $http_x_forwarded_proto; } # Prevent access to sensitive files location ~ /\.ht { deny all; } location ~ /\.env { deny all; } # Disable HTTPS on backend (handled by reverse proxy) listen 80; listen [::]:80; } seems i'm getting a redirect loop and i can't figure out where i'm going wrong

nope, running good for me with exactly the same setup

wait, do you have listen 443 ssl; on reverse proxy conf?

or did u just truncate that for privacy

not that i know of as its not working for me

Is there way to recognize registered user's clone state? (Omega, Alpha clone)

ESI only provides character level information by design

so, no.

Interesting thanks!

You can make some guesses from skill training speed, but it isn’t 100% reliable.

Can't you just compare sp vs active sp and as long as they have at least 1 omega skill you will find a difference

@user_164076488294006785 Just installed your industry plugin. So much simpler!

Is this supposed to be in French?

<this is a joke> you can remove the french language pack by typing rm -fr

(dont do that)

I've heard it works more efficiently if you do sudo rm -fr <don't do this>

It shouldnt be in French, I'll look at it

i have a question about schedule.

About docker backup database backup. Is it possible to add it to a scheduled task. There are so many options inside the scheduled task that I'm not sure I'm looking at it and missing it. If any member knows, please let me know which one. 😊

Due to too much stale data, I added seat:admin:maintenance to the scheduled task hopefully it will help in clearing the stale data. Of course, I selected yes in the option to clear stale data. But I still have 16g of data in the database from my current backup. Six months ago it was only 2g.

is it stale or is it historic data?

It depends on how the backup works. If it is a laravel plugin that adds artisan commands, you should be able to schedule it. Otherwise, it can’t be added to the schedule.

You’d have to send use the storage used by table to judge if it is abnormal.

Also, the remove stale data option isn’t doing all that much. Don’t expect wonders from it

Getting rid of stale data has proven useful. But unfortunately, I may have set it wrong. It's deleted all my data. Except for plugs. Fortunately, I backed up the data in advance before setting it up.🫠

Thank you!! Some more tabs are also in French whenever you get a chance to take a look. Also loving what’s to come with the “build” tab.

You'll have to tell me what other tabs are also in french, it's hard to find for me ^^

@user_164076488294006785 This is still in french.

There was one more after clicking on an order where you see 4 tabs (order details, deliveries. ravworks, build plan) but it seems to be fixed now.

Found another french location

@user_164076488294006785 also, I set up the discord updates for a "New Industry Order" via 'Notifications' but it doesn't seem to be working.

It sends a notification only when the Order is "Confirmed"

Maybe that's why ?

Are you sure you are on the latest version ? The screens you took I dont have those things in french. I'm pushing another version anyway that will fix ravworks export for reactions + container station location displayed (was always "unknown")

Hmm ok let me try that.

Is there a way for me to update the version manually?

Yup! that worked. Thank you!

Restarting the app should be enough

@user_164076488294006785 Happy New Year!! The industry plugin is working great. Any chance you might be working on bringing in 'refined/reprocessed' pricing to your buyback plugin. It'll be a massive update for us! Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. With the materials prices swinging ridiculously these days. maintaining a static list of priced items is becoming cumbersome with our 80 entires.

How easy/hard is it to take an entire corporation with its members from one corporation name to another?

Or is it simpler to just delete everything and start fresh and have everyone re-auth.

if they are already registered...just wait

ESI takes 24hr-7days to update everything every where

so some of the stuff might look weird

don't re-auth, just ... move them over

things will look weird for a little while

also specifically - this is one of those "user friction" things... you don't want to force people to re-auth shit all the time, they get tired of it 🙂

They also protest.

Noob question perhaps - my seat setup looks like this on the third-party support site. Is there any way to change it to say "Corp Auth" or use my specific corp name and "XYZ Auth"?

Can you provide some more context where it is saying this? The screenshot doesn't really help :)

if that's in your third party applications section like it looks like then you set that yourself when you make the application on the developers website with eveonline

Ahh yeah...Thank you!

it can be edited at any time

How easy/hard is it to edit without breaking things?

https://developers.eveonline.com/applications go here, click your application, hit edit, when done hit save at the bottom

Just had a contract notification go through, the contract was sent 2 weeks ago and accepted the same day. My seat is haunted lol

They are called Gremlins! lol

lol

that can happen 🙂

but sounds weird

shouldn't be so backlogged

Do you know of a way for people to authenticate for Discord (via bot to get roles depence on allianz) without revealing any information other than what's strictly necessary for that purpose?

Setup squads that add people based on alliance and then grant discord roles for those squads would be the easiest if I'm understanding your ask

Can SEAT handle that as well, if people don’t check all the information boxes during the SEAT registration process?

squads can filter by scopes, so yes

cool, ty

Does anyone know whether doing the docker install or the manual install is better? I keep running into different issues based on following the 5.x installation guide. Any help would be appreciated.

I whole-heartedly reccomend the docker approach

I have tried this approach on Windows Server 2022, and on Ubuntu 20.04. On W2022, there is a repeating message that the user/pw for the database is incorrect despite what is entered in the env file. On Ubuntu, I keep getting a syntax is incorrect with MySQL when trying to do the GRANT ALL step. (have checked several times to make sure nothing was missing)

Did you start the stack and then change DB passwords in your .env? In any case, delete your mariadb volume and restart the stack. That should reset it.

Or is this on a manual install?

I feel very old skool installing stuff on hyper v but its what i know and my original expirience with docker was docker windows so eh yeah..

This appears to be the only thing not populating. Character shows that they've mined this month, but does not look like this gets populated. Am I missing a step or is there a way to update this?

NM, it looks as though it caught up. Again, thank you everyone for your help

mine is showing up

lol

It takes some time for the data to pull in

Is there a way to Assign a default Access Management role for new Seat Members? OR automate if in X corp they get X Role. I want them to get the Discord connector overall but not manually doing it.

Squads

Oh this is perfect! Thank you!!

Is there a way to clear the cache on SeAT as it does not appear to be updating player ISK in game properly, or at least force it to pull from eve?

How long have you waited?

I never want to migrate this ever..

Check dm's lol.

🙂

just bring up your back up...migrate is easy

^^ veaam backup then restore in proxmon

Data from cameras? Havin same

^^ yep

hey fellas, i just (re)launched https://www.upwell.gg/ if ya'll are interested. I know most of you will be using seat for internal timerboards but it's great for sharing timers/pinging across coalitions or other random groups.

Only issue I see with the tool is, I am logging into an unknown tool hosted by someone I don't know with something as critical as Structure timers and my fleets. If it was something I could self host, 100%

Yeah, someone with your (and not unlikely most of this server's) mindset would reach for aa or seat but I wanted to build something for the underserved population of groups without the ability to self host, or any group that doesn't fit into the structure auth tools are usually based around. It's aimed at smaller corps or coalitions and npsi communities

I do question how valid opsec concerns actually are though, it's not like timers aren't visible from space

Version 1 requested waypoint write scopes so users could set destination straight from Upwell and I got pushback because people were worried that it could be malappropriated which I found kinda ridiculous

Eve being the game that it is, has made me very paranoid. The Attacker should have the timers yes; and anyone that happens into that space. My concern would be third parties. 10, 20, 50 groups are using your tool (using you as the example not saying you would do this) You now have timers for those 50 groups. You now sell that intel to Null Blocks, Wormholers, a gang of pirates. What ever it might be. Now as a defender, I have to worry about the attackers + Who ever else thinks I am valuable enough to attack. This is a bigger issue in Wormholes then K space imo.

That being said, if you get a bunch of users hmu and ill buy the timers 🙂

can suggest a few others that will pay for syndication!

especially the pings

Yeah same :v

I do really appreciate its not default bootstrap

it's default shadcn 🙃

ah neat

you ever do one of those theme selector thingies

really wish their like theme customizer thing was just included 😛

Shad applies the theme at init, it's just a stack of css vars

Could probably pull the vars right out of the customizer page per theme and scope them into a class

Honestly it's super minimal though, as a component library it's more focused on composition than actual style so you do at some point need to extend the tailwind config with your own stuff

Yea, I use it for all my internal eve tools

i like their blocks idea

https://letsencrypt.org/2024/04/25/guide-to-integrating-ari-into-existing-acme-clients/

Is there a way to blacklist a corp? For example if we wanted to avoid current or ex members of a certain corp from joining our corp?

I set them -10 😛

I meant in SeAT.

and if you set them at -10 - how does that impact previous memebrs of the corp?

you see it when they app

including previous members?

see it in SeAT? where?

no in game

the HR plugin might have something

but Ive never used it

yeah i was asking here cos it's the SeAT discord server.

let me ammend my statement then

by default, there is no way that I know of, we black list former folk by setting them -10 in game and adding them to a black listed group in contacts, there is an HR plugin, which may have this functionality, but Ive never used it

gotcha.

https://packagist.org/packages/cryocaustik/seat-hr

the docs say it has a blacklist, but I dont know anything about it

i use it. it allows for blaclisting individuals

not corps

Oh I see

You want to black list from the corp history

blacklsit an entire corp - so that its current and previous members cannot be accepted to my corp or anyone in my alliance by mistake.

when you said previous members of the corp, I thought you meant your corp, not an arbitrary one

ok

theres not a good solve for that

I have a bunch of not seat scripts that do most of the vetting for us, and that specifically is a very hard problem to do well

yeah i'd imagine...

i think alliance auth has something that does this....but they have so many plugins...one of the reasons why i even went down the route of setting up SeAT ..."user-friendly"...

the AA one checks if a previous corp is in an alliance

but doesn line up dates of changes

ie if a corp joined goons, left goons and then 3 years later the dude was in the corp

i think it's this one....not directly a blacklist per se. https://apps.allianceauth.org/apps/detail/aa-alumni

aa says he was in goons

ya

but he was never in goons, just a corp he was in at some point was

That specific plugin is for previous memembers of your own alliance btw

yeah you're right...

the stupid way you can do it is an advance search on zkill with the person and the blacklisted alliances on the attackers side

but that only does one at a time

Good morning all. ... So we are going to through a bit of rebranding i.e. moving everyone from one corp to another. Is there anything I need to do on the backend/code to ensure this happens smoothly. I'll obviously have to update the squad corp filters nd update the corp name for the different plugin settings. Is there anywhere during setup where I had to use the Corp code/ID etc.?

Nope

Squad filters is basically it

Anybody know what the purpose for the delayed local chat is ? is it so we have to dscan more instead of relying on local ?

its not on purpose

ccp moved chat off cluster a few years back, its now xmpp based and they have struggled ever since

Most likely related to the mention of moving local chat to Quasar? Patch notes indicated they made that live yesterday. Unsure if the text means they're in the process - the patch notes are worded as if it's ongoing. https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/patch-notes-version-22-02#h2-1

seems like a dumpster fire so far

the delay is not intentional

its just growing pains o fnew tech stack

Off topic question. How do you guys handle kicking or removing users from discord when they quit the corp?

so we have a public channel that anyone can join. Discord just handles who can see what after they sign up. So if someone leaves they can still chat in the pubbie channels but can't see any "member" channels

Our dear Warlof made this : https://github.com/warlof/seat-discord-connector Autofill squads for your corp membership

(if corp = "my_super_corp") => enters the squad

on the connector you map your discord roles to squads, for example :

any member of the my_super_corp squad will get granted the role member

Design your discord Cats & Channels to be available only for member (via roles) Have a public chan to see who's landing on discord 🙂 Result will be if someone drop the corp or removes tokens. it will opt-out the squad automatically and got the discord roles stripped by the bot.

I deactivate their seat account and then have a bit of go code kicks anyone on discord that doesn't have any roles periodically

Any one on the server can see every chan name, descriptions and the last time a message was sent so it is not wise to allow unrolled folk on your server

This doesn't kick users for the server

I'm just going to write some code to kick public users once a week or something

Mine runs every 10 min

Yeah my bad i did read the message too fast.

They may or may not leave if they can only see a welcome channel.. just have a "Don't talk about opsec in public"

It's Already set up that way

what is the best way to update the bare metal ? the announce doesn't make me any wiser

just the normal update process

grazzi

and back up

just heed this bit https://discord.com/channels/821361165791133716/821361165791133719/1338848096670711900

especially with naming and chan descriptions

Worse when people have "disallow see channel" but have message history. Even reversed is bad too

im saying you dont need any permissions at all

For us you can't see anything unless rolled and you don't have open permissions to start with as that's bad for normal users to have any perms set globally

Its a discord thing, that no matter your roles, you get every channel, its description, and the last message id for every server no matter what

I mean sure you can use addons to see all channels and such but if your perms are right they aren't going override not having message history and being able to see a channel

the clien tthen filters what you can see

Got Evidence of this?

lol

yea

they make plugins for it

It relies on a server misconfiguring and giving either of the two permissions though..?

nope

heres the plugin for better discord https://github.com/JustOptimize/ShowHiddenChannels

heres the plugin for ven https://vencord.dev/plugins/ShowHiddenChannels

discord is shit, news at 11

quick every one migrate to TeamSpeak5

(dont do this)

I have hope for matrix ...

I also hope the machines take over

@user_154092528386310154 the code you use to kick people without roles. Would you mind sharing ? If possible

ShowHiddenChannels is a plugin for BetterDiscord that allows users to view information about hidden channels in a Discord server, such as their name, description and which roles or users have access to these hidden channels. Please note that this plugin will not allow you to read the messages in these channels, it will only show you information about them. And also Discord is working on an experimental feature that should hide private channels on the server side making it impossible for plugins like this to work, so it is possible that this plugin will soon be useless. i'm really not too worried about that thing 🙂

i updatet from 4 to now the up to date V5 NOW..... i got some troubels getting stuff shown like if i set the drop down in setting where i can choose the market orders it says searching but not finding anything.

and also it says checking pakages but dont find anything on it

nod

at the very least its helped me describe what I want to a laraval foo

try to get them to write some plugin 😛

lmao

I wonder if there's something that gets retry blocked for a week and then restarts...

there you go 😄 i had this with watchtower tanking the scheduler once looks like it didn't exited the container nicely

this is a blade install, so who knows 😄

On a related note, ESI status if the EVE status page was accurate 😅

that only tracks incidents

not outages

as long as they never acknowlege an issue, they have 100% uptime

Hey all bringing it back to the SeAT killmail feature discussion. Any chance it’s possible to fix it? I love the design of it but the name of the final blow and attackers still doesn’t show up for me. PS: Yes, we are using the zkill bot for now.

I don't really trust it so I avoid letting AI right any real code, but I did have some success using Cursor to set up the project structure for a SeAT plugin by giving it a link to the page that describes how to do that. Probably saved me 10 minutes overall lol

I'm definitely not the best person to help with this since I'm just dipping my toes in the water with SeAT development, but any chance you could link a previous message about this so I can jump to the prior discussion? I'm looking at a killmail from today that displays the attackers fine and I don't even see a spot for the final blow to be displayed so I think I might be missing some context

(Hopefully correctly) answering my own question for anybody else who's interested!

npc

prob

https://zkillboard.com/kill/122566010/ is the link, looks like it was a player kill

TBH killmail alert is bit weird

I disabled it and start using zkillboard bot

I haven't used Discord killmail notifications, but my best guess is that the web UI has some fallback code to look up public info on characters that aren't listed in SeAT and the Discord notification only checks for players who are in the database already

It has a habit of posting the same km multiply times

Aaand never mind, they're using the same data apparently... My best guess for the missing info is that SeAT sends the alert as soon as the killmail data comes in, and perhaps the attacker info hasn't been updated yet.

For the double-posting, I think killmails are probably coming in via character notifications which hit the CharacterNotificationObserver, triggering the notification to be dispatched. If you have multiple characters receiving a notification (maybe your corp runs a friendly PVP tournament so one SeAT user is the victim and another SeAT user is the attacker) I could see that triggering multiple notifications

Yeah I also get this exact format with the final blow and attacker as unknown. I like SeATs format/design better than the zkill bot though.

Double posting occurs for me if I have both the CEO and the Corp in the notification setup. If only one is set up I usually don’t get double posting. Although I haven’t checked for that in a while.

Oh wait this is my post lol from a while back.

I do think I might have an idea of why those are showing as unknown - the killmail notification is triggered the moment a notification is received, but as far as I can tell the killmail details won't actually populate until the esi:update:killmails command runs

Yeah that was me digging through Discord history trying to help with getting back to the killmail discussion hahaha

I'm not 100% sure what the best way to approach this would be, but I think basically what we need to fix the unknown attacker problem is to delay sending the notification until after the Seat\Eveapi\Jobs\Killmails\Detail job runs for that killmail

This might get a bit more complicated (I don't want to suggest refactoring another major system since I'm already doing that for filters 😅 ) but the ideal solution might be for SeAT notifications to be less tightly coupled to ingame notifications

Right now we have "ingame notification" =triggers=> "seat notification", at a minimum to fix the issue we'd need "ingame notification" =triggers=> Seat\Eveapi\Jobs\Killmails\Detail =then=> "SeAt Notification". IMO it might be better to have the killmail notifications be triggered at the moment when the killmail detail is loaded from ESI, but that breaks the current concept that a SeAT notification is always also an ingame notification

Okay I've done a bit more reading and I think I was wrong - I haven't found where the differentiation happens, but it does look like the notification is triggered when the KillmailDetail model is updated. That being said, I still haven't tracked down where the victim and attacker are loaded from ESI if their characters aren't already present. I'm going to have to call it a night, but hopefully I'll have a bit of time to look into this further tomorrow - I'm procrastinating building the UI for the advanced squad filters plugin I'm working on but I still have the itch to dig through SeAT code 😛

Thank you so much for looking into it. I don’t know much about coding but logic I can work with. Is zkill also triggerijg from when the info gets to ESI? If so, wouldn’t a similar setup solve for SeAT? Or maybe it’s easier said than done. Also looking forward to your advanced squad filter plugin!!

Couldn't stop myself from digging lol, seems like we may want to do something related to Seat\Web\Http\Controllers\Support\ResolveController prior to sending the notification because attackers and victims are both resolved using UniverseName rather than the CharacterInfo model. Theoretically this could be as simple as triggering those to be resolved in the Seat\Eveapi\Jobs\Killmails\Detail job prior to dispatching the event that triggers the notification

Zkill is probably just waiting until 100% of the data is loaded prior to sending the webhook that triggers a Discord message. Plus I'm guessing with their scale they probably have basically every character ID in the game resolved to a name already lol

Yeah I think it makes sense what you’re saying about waiting for 100% of the data.. Here’s the thing though - Zkill’s notification (discord message) comes in at least 5-7 minutes before SeAT’s notification. And so the second part of what you’re saying now makes more sense. They resolve the name from a character ID pretty quickly.

I'm not super surprised zkill's notification comes in before SeAT's - SeAT has to keep a ton of data updated from ESI for all of its other features, whereas zkill is probably just pulling killmail-related data and nothing (or not much) else. Theoretically if you wanted to, you could put schedule the commands that pull killmail data to run more frequently - you might just need a more powerful server to handle the load

Hmmm do you think that might fix the missing data issue? I currently host on Hetzner and we aren't really a big Corp - less than 100. So, I could upgrade to a higher tier and give it a try.

I don't believe it would, but I do have a PR that might 🙂

The main reason for the delay will also be the cycle upon which we update the notifications job.

We're also delaying the notification dispatch by 5 minutes right now, so if the only reason for that was hoping the UniverseNames would be resolved before the notification went out we may be able to catch up with zkill's notification speed

Another question - For anything that is a list SeAT shows 10 items as default. Is there any way to change this default to 25 or 50 or some other number?

Hello, is there any API allowing the jump route planer with the ansi?

dotlan ?

wanderer!

it needs to type in manually, I wonder if there is a way to do it auotmatically.

hmmm I didnt know u can track ansiblexes with this one 😄

There is no ESI for JB's correct? They have to be entered manually?

I don't think so. The only way to set a route is using https://esi.evetech.net/ui/#/User%20Interface/post_ui_autopilot_waypoint and then make sure your in-game setting is set to include jump bridges

And https://esi.evetech.net/ui/#/Routes/get_route_origin_destination doesn't include an option to set a flag to include them either

Corp Structures, Regex for Ansiblex Jump Gate from - destination

Looking at it, it shouldn't be so difficult to build. I'll have a closer look

I'm bored anyway

That was easy... The setting is saved, now to yeet it into the datatables

@user_806925397265743902, what tables are the most important ones you'd like this on? Everything under character or something?

Awesome! yeah ideally in Characters > All characters and in Settings > Users

I can probably make this work for all tables I guess. Just dealing with some funky javascript at the moment

My god, it works. And I even added another bonus

Added the option to show all results instead of just the predefined 10,25,50,100

Spicy option if you have Showing 1 to 3,533 of 3,533 entries

But why not

https://tenor.com/view/not-the-hero-we-deserve-gif-13014154

I guess it will murder your server if that's turned on for 100+ members

Now I have to learn some new languages for the translations

PRs are up. Let's see what the feedback is

for bonus points you can turn on stateSave and then you dont have to select All everytime https://gitlab.com/tactical-supremacy/aa-market-manager/-/blob/main/marketmanager/templates/marketmanager/marketbrowser-bs5.html#L66

Oeh, snazzy one

that said, i need to look into stateSaveParams so that i only save ui prefs, and not filters

a saved filter can screw you for a column that doesnt exist anymore

datatables is not too sm0rt

Covered by the default profile settings but if you change that afterwards, this could be a good one if I think it works the way I think

table sorts, dropdown filters, filters, search, pagination, page size, all saved

Alternatively, drop the whole feature and implement the stateSave instead 🤔

the event it fires is flexible enough https://datatables.net/reference/event/stateSaveParams

Let's see what people think of it. Could always change it to only use stateSave or a combination of both

Nice find, I didn't see that one

I would not use "All".. Depending on the about of data needing to load.. it might not work, crash or has performance issue..

Fair enough

I'll remove it because I was expecting this feedback after implementing it

I've seen SeAT get very grumpy over search 😄

I just run it for myself and not hundreds of players or more. So I can assume that was a silly one on my part

Easily removed. But I do wonder about the stateSave now and if it would be better. Makes the code a lot more easier I guess

It was just an opinion. Maybe instead of "all" you can add put a number. in case if someone feels like they want to break SeAT 😆

Maybe @user_131158012831203328 can be the guinea pig for this test. 🙃

haha 😄

I can already imagine his number of errors 😂

already over 400k...

I feel like we should have a score board in here who has the top error numbers 😂

buuunch of fucking citadel jobs

Oh well... It always have to be something 😅

https://tenor.com/view/duper-office-it-crowd-british-gif-5204725

found Wibla and his server

Related, aftermath of an actual fire in an older iteration of the server which is currently running my SeAT instance

Don't use sketchy molex to sata adapters, kids

Ooof

Miraculously the only repair I had to make was replacing the adapter, even the drive it was powering was totally fine

@user_165629307853471744 Is your killreport fix all good to go? Jsut curious...

Made some progress from the original version and I think it should be good to go. I'm basically just waiting for the changes to be merged, or for somebody to request that I make more changes. To implement the fix, 2 PRs need to be merged: 1. https://github.com/eveseat/eveapi/pull/430 (makes it possible to load the specific character/corp IDs, instead of always loading every unresolved character/corp ID) 2. https://github.com/eveseat/notifications/pull/110 (uses the change from

1 to load the character/corp info needed to properly display the killmail before sending killmail notifications)

Reading through it looks good to me, though I will wait until I can test the notifications PR before I merge that

For pull 110, did you test this on a live instance? I am having trouble getting the killmail notifications to fire in order to test this. Not sure if its how I am generating them or something going wrong under the hood

Unfortunately I haven't had a good opportunity to test on a live instance yet

I get the laravel log message

[2025-04-04 03:10:51] local.DEBUG: [Notifications][126045298] Killmail - Queuing job due to updated killmail. {"killmail_time":"2025-04-04 03:09:30","solar_system_id":30003688,"moon_id":null,"war_id":null} 

but never get the notification / job

Got it to trigger, looks like killmail notifications require an affiliation

So I can confirm the middleware is working as expected 😄

And the ocrrect execution order as expected

[2025-04-04 03:54:42] local.DEBUG: [LoadRequiredUniverseIdsMiddleware]  
[2025-04-04 03:54:42] local.DEBUG: [LoadRequiredUniverseIds] {"ids":[95879320,920387745]} 
[2025-04-04 03:54:42] local.DEBUG: [Jobs][Middlewares][] ESI Throttler -> Retrieve current rate limit status. {"fqcn":"Seat\\Eveapi\\Jobs\\Universe\\Names","current":0,"limit":80} 
[2025-04-04 03:54:42] local.DEBUG: [Jobs][Middlewares][] Check ESI Route Status -> Checking endpoint health. {"fqcn":"Seat\\Eveapi\\Jobs\\Universe\\Names","endpoint":"/universe/names/"} 
[2025-04-04 03:54:43] local.DEBUG: [Jobs][Middlewares] Check ESI Route Status -> Probing ESI endpoints. {"endpoint":"/universe/names/","status":"green"} 
[2025-04-04 03:54:43] local.DEBUG: [PopulateMessageDiscord]

However what you can see is that its only asking for a handful of ids, not the full list

Found and fixed, merged

And now docker builds are failing again.... I will need to look into this tonight...

I dont understand why armv7 would fail to validate the composer.json while other arch's are fine